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	<title>Comments on: LIFE in Israel in 1948 &#8211; Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Don Horowitz</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-4026</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone in my synagogue just referred me to this site containing photos from Israel taken during the 1948 war because her father, a Haganah soldier is in one of the photos.  I looked at all of them and the comments and noticed this comment.
 
And I would have preferred that someone point out the significance of an Egyptian airplane with RAF markings – and what it says about the credibility of British claims of neutrality. For the informed, the picture speaks for itself. For others an explanatory caption would help.

As my father (A WWII veteran of the Normandy invasion) became an aircraft and aerospace engineer after the war, I have always had a keen interest in military aircraft.  Many countries mark their planes with roundels. (See link below)  But as the photo in the collection is black and white, one cannot tell what colors comprise the markings.  As I will explain, the fighter plane in the picture probably has Egyptian markings even though it is a British-made Spitfire.  That does not necessarily affect whether Britian was neutral, because, ironically, the inventory of the Israeli Air Force at that time included many German Messerschmitt ME-109 fighters (built in Czechoslovakia) as well as other planes including British Spitfires and American P-51 Mustangs.  The Czechs were a conduit for the creation of the Israeli air force and many World War II veteran pilots and mechanics (both Christians and Jews) from the US, Canada, Great Britian and other countires flew the planes and gave their lives for Israeli independence 
 
http://israelvets.com/pictorialhist_air_force.html
 
Back to the markings, this link shows (in alphabetical order) markings of military aircraft used by countries around the world both present and past.
 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Roundel
 
If you check the Egyptian roundel in use in 1948 with the markings of the same era United Kingdom aircraft you will see that they both have three concentric circles (as do most other roundel markings).  The only difference is the colors (Egypt green center and outside, white inside; UK red center then white and blue) .  As far as I can tell from the photo, the center of the roundel and the outer circle appear to be the same shade suggesting the green, white, green Egyptian markings.  If it was a British plane even in a back and while photo there may be a contrast between the red and the blue.  And, as shown in the link to the Israeli Air Force page above, some British planes only had roundels comprised of a red center and one blue circle.  The one in the picture has three parts.
 
Don Horowitz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone in my synagogue just referred me to this site containing photos from Israel taken during the 1948 war because her father, a Haganah soldier is in one of the photos.  I looked at all of them and the comments and noticed this comment.</p>
<p>And I would have preferred that someone point out the significance of an Egyptian airplane with RAF markings – and what it says about the credibility of British claims of neutrality. For the informed, the picture speaks for itself. For others an explanatory caption would help.</p>
<p>As my father (A WWII veteran of the Normandy invasion) became an aircraft and aerospace engineer after the war, I have always had a keen interest in military aircraft.  Many countries mark their planes with roundels. (See link below)  But as the photo in the collection is black and white, one cannot tell what colors comprise the markings.  As I will explain, the fighter plane in the picture probably has Egyptian markings even though it is a British-made Spitfire.  That does not necessarily affect whether Britian was neutral, because, ironically, the inventory of the Israeli Air Force at that time included many German Messerschmitt ME-109 fighters (built in Czechoslovakia) as well as other planes including British Spitfires and American P-51 Mustangs.  The Czechs were a conduit for the creation of the Israeli air force and many World War II veteran pilots and mechanics (both Christians and Jews) from the US, Canada, Great Britian and other countires flew the planes and gave their lives for Israeli independence </p>
<p><a href="http://israelvets.com/pictorialhist_air_force.html" rel="nofollow">http://israelvets.com/pictorialhist_air_force.html</a></p>
<p>Back to the markings, this link shows (in alphabetical order) markings of military aircraft used by countries around the world both present and past.</p>
<p><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Roundel" rel="nofollow">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Roundel</a></p>
<p>If you check the Egyptian roundel in use in 1948 with the markings of the same era United Kingdom aircraft you will see that they both have three concentric circles (as do most other roundel markings).  The only difference is the colors (Egypt green center and outside, white inside; UK red center then white and blue) .  As far as I can tell from the photo, the center of the roundel and the outer circle appear to be the same shade suggesting the green, white, green Egyptian markings.  If it was a British plane even in a back and while photo there may be a contrast between the red and the blue.  And, as shown in the link to the Israeli Air Force page above, some British planes only had roundels comprised of a red center and one blue circle.  The one in the picture has three parts.</p>
<p>Don Horowitz</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Rasmussen</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3887</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Rasmussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for assembling these photos!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for assembling these photos!!</p>
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		<title>By: יהודית</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3878</link>
		<dc:creator>יהודית</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>מאוד מרשים
האם אתה לא יכול לכתוב גם דו לשוני?
אני מבינה את החשיבות של הכתיבה באנגלית אך בל זאת...

תודה ושבת שלום</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>מאוד מרשים<br />
האם אתה לא יכול לכתוב גם דו לשוני?<br />
אני מבינה את החשיבות של הכתיבה באנגלית אך בל זאת&#8230;</p>
<p>תודה ושבת שלום</p>
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		<title>By: oriol sallas</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3789</link>
		<dc:creator>oriol sallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: gheorghe dragos</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3774</link>
		<dc:creator>gheorghe dragos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, may I ask: does anyone happen to see a picture of the the dome of the rock in 1967 with some kind of ladder on the roof and a flag on top of it? I was thinking maybe it is a jewish flag? I have somewhere that picture....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, may I ask: does anyone happen to see a picture of the the dome of the rock in 1967 with some kind of ladder on the roof and a flag on top of it? I was thinking maybe it is a jewish flag? I have somewhere that picture&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: gheorghe dragos</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3773</link>
		<dc:creator>gheorghe dragos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting, very nice of you to share these photos. I thank you, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting, very nice of you to share these photos. I thank you, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Shamash</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3692</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Shamash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, Thank you very much. I was born in Tel Aviv 8 years after most of these photos were taken, but still they awake a lot of emotions.  I hope these photos will be seen by many generation to come (Jews, Arabs and British)   Again, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, Thank you very much. I was born in Tel Aviv 8 years after most of these photos were taken, but still they awake a lot of emotions.  I hope these photos will be seen by many generation to come (Jews, Arabs and British)   Again, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Atlas</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3645</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Atlas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lesley, I am not trying to prove anything. Here are the photos. Some people say there not enough of this or that in the photos. Just like in life there is never enough of somehting and you can&#039;t make everyone happy. But I am not interested in spin of any kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lesley, I am not trying to prove anything. Here are the photos. Some people say there not enough of this or that in the photos. Just like in life there is never enough of somehting and you can&#8217;t make everyone happy. But I am not interested in spin of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley Shure</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3636</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley Shure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you found any concurrent references to Palestinians in 1948?  I recall the Arabs of the region being called Arabs.  I understand Mark Twain and his contemporaries used the term &quot;Palestinian&quot; to refer to Jews and possibly Christians and other non-Muslims in the area.  That is, until Yassir Arafat turned the word around and applied it to Arab &quot;refugees&quot; in the mid-1980s.  Since you are using documentation from a critical juncture in history to dispel myths and lies of propagandists and historical revisionists, perhaps you have found evidence, one way or the other, regarding the term &quot;Palestinian.&quot;  I would be very interested to know.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you found any concurrent references to Palestinians in 1948?  I recall the Arabs of the region being called Arabs.  I understand Mark Twain and his contemporaries used the term &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; to refer to Jews and possibly Christians and other non-Muslims in the area.  That is, until Yassir Arafat turned the word around and applied it to Arab &#8220;refugees&#8221; in the mid-1980s.  Since you are using documentation from a critical juncture in history to dispel myths and lies of propagandists and historical revisionists, perhaps you have found evidence, one way or the other, regarding the term &#8220;Palestinian.&#8221;  I would be very interested to know.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Atlas</title>
		<link>http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/#comment-3591</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Atlas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I published photos from the Life archive. This is not a &quot;show&quot;. Any collection is incomplete but unless you present only one side of a story it would never satisfy people who refuse to acknowledge that there was suffering on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I published photos from the Life archive. This is not a &#8220;show&#8221;. Any collection is incomplete but unless you present only one side of a story it would never satisfy people who refuse to acknowledge that there was suffering on both sides.</p>
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