Comments on: LIFE in Israel in 1948 – Part 2 http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/ the curatorship of possibilities - ben's blog about urban ethos and connectedness Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:19:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ben Atlas http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3590 Ben Atlas Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:07:35 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3590 See my response to your previous comment. See my response to your previous comment.

]]> By: Ben Atlas http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3589 Ben Atlas Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:05:45 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3589 I copied captions from the archives, all captions (with rare exceptions) are by the photographers themselves. So these are notes taken at the scene by the photographers. I copied captions from the archives, all captions (with rare exceptions) are by the photographers themselves. So these are notes taken at the scene by the photographers.

]]> By: Nezar Nuaimat http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3588 Nezar Nuaimat Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:03:37 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3588 How could you know that bodies in photo # 13 are for Jews, not for Arabs? How could you know that bodies in photo # 13 are for Jews, not for Arabs?

]]> By: Nezar Nuaimat http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3587 Nezar Nuaimat Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:57:07 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3587 In photo #15, how could you recognize bodies are for Jews? Why to for Arabs? In photo #15, how could you recognize bodies are for Jews? Why to for Arabs?

]]> By: FrankAdam http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3426 FrankAdam Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:34:56 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3426 The UN 181 demarcation of the Jerusalem corpus separatus area is very interesting but can only be studied on a large scale map as it was extended to include outlying Arab villages and so gerrymander an equality of Jews and Arabs even though in the city itself the Jews were nearly a 2/3rds majority. The Vatican has been alleged to have been behind the whole scheme and the gerrymander and could have used influence by referring to the Catholic vote (1/3 of US) and Catholic majority countries in Latin America on which the US relied to railroad policies through the UN General Assembly in the 50's (before the Third World joined in 1960 and the boot went to he Soviet foot). The UN 181 demarcation of the Jerusalem corpus separatus area is very interesting but can only be studied on a large scale map as it was extended to include outlying Arab villages and so gerrymander an equality of Jews and Arabs even though in the city itself the Jews were nearly a 2/3rds majority. The Vatican has been alleged to have been behind the whole scheme and the gerrymander and could have used influence by referring to the Catholic vote (1/3 of US) and Catholic majority countries in Latin America on which the US relied to railroad policies through the UN General Assembly in the 50’s (before the Third World joined in 1960 and the boot went to he Soviet foot).

]]> By: FrankAdam http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3424 FrankAdam Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:04:13 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3424 In 1948 there were over 25 000 Palestine Jews who had been British trained as troops or Jewish Settlement Police and so did things the British way till the and hoc changes of the war or the post war IDF debriefs regularised things. The MP's might even be ex-British Jewish MP's. The Palestine ATS (PATS) of which there were 4000, had two MP companies of their own; the regiments of the Jewish Brigade would have had a provost section each for, guard room and traffic control and probably a brigade platoon for traffic control. The sheer number of Jewish Palestine troops points to more than a couple of male Jewish provost companies (MP's). As regards specifically Polish deserters it will be tricky to trace but as Poles they might have known some Yiddiish or even got by on Polish with those Yishuv Jews who knew it. Russian and German were also common second languages in all East Europe and the Yishuv. Deserters survived in the underworld or on the edges of legit society but I do not know how though in big cities or a place like Palestine where a lot of people were uprooted immigrants it could not have been over difficult to pose in a second identity and take day piece jobs or petty crime. In parallel Britain suffered 100 000 UK deserters in WW II and for the Coronation (1953) the Churchill government pardoned certain categories but reading small print is not a normal fluency and a lot turned themselves in to the embarrassment of the authorities so the government found itself obliged in the 52 -53 winter to issue a general amnesty. If it was not over difficult to live in the shade in GB for eight years which still had ration books and ID cards it could well have been even easier in Palestine . British deserters are referred to in the Jerusalem Post reports on the Ben Yehuda St bombing. In 1948 there were over 25 000 Palestine Jews who had been British trained as troops or Jewish Settlement Police and so did things the British way till the and hoc changes of the war or the post war IDF debriefs regularised things. The MP’s might even be ex-British Jewish MP’s. The Palestine ATS (PATS) of which there were 4000, had two MP companies of their own; the regiments of the Jewish Brigade would have had a provost section each for, guard room and traffic control and probably a brigade platoon for traffic control. The sheer number of Jewish Palestine troops points to more than a couple of male Jewish provost companies (MP’s).

As regards specifically Polish deserters it will be tricky to trace but as Poles they might have known some Yiddiish or even got by on Polish with those Yishuv Jews who knew it. Russian and German were also common second languages in all East Europe and the Yishuv. Deserters survived in the underworld or on the edges of legit society but I do not know how though in big cities or a place like Palestine where a lot of people were uprooted immigrants it could not have been over difficult to pose in a second identity and take day piece jobs or petty crime. In parallel Britain suffered 100 000 UK deserters in WW II and for the Coronation (1953) the Churchill government pardoned certain categories but reading small print is not a normal fluency and a lot turned themselves in to the embarrassment of the authorities so the government found itself obliged in the 52 -53 winter to issue a general amnesty. If it was not over difficult to live in the shade in GB for eight years which still had ration books and ID cards it could well have been even easier in Palestine . British deserters are referred to in the Jerusalem Post reports on the Ben Yehuda St bombing.

]]> By: evehorack http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3239 evehorack Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:11:29 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3239 Thank you Thank you

]]> By: Ben Atlas http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3238 Ben Atlas Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:31:18 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3238 Maybe some of the readers know the details. Maybe some of the readers know the details.

]]> By: evehorack http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3237 evehorack Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:23:52 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3237 Do you have any information on a transport of czechs from constanza romania to israel 1948 such as dates of arrival in the port of haifa Do you have any information on a transport of czechs from constanza romania to israel 1948 such as dates of arrival in the port of haifa

]]> By: Ben Atlas http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/#comment-3220 Ben Atlas Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:29:55 +0000 http://benatlas.com/?p=3024#comment-3220 Thank you for the background. Thank you for the background.

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